Talk:Pig and Whistle

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Thanks for that work, Cubist! — ShadowWolf 21:18, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

De nada!
Question: Who gets the credit for creating this thing? That is, who holds the copyright on it? This is of more than academic interest, since there's a fair chance that some of the stories for this setting might end up in one of the ANTHROlogy paperbacks, which, in turn, means that it'd be nice to address the question of who gets the "creator's cut" of whichever profits (if any)... Cubist 06:05, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
I'd have to say nobody. This creation arose out of numerous conversations and e-mail exchanges. While it seems, to me, that I instigated it—I can't say that I deserve creators rights. At the same time I can't say whether anyone else that participated in the design deserves them either. What this means is that I'd rather we run this as a trust—that is, everyone listed on the byline has equal rights. If it comes to a head—such as someone wishing to use the setting as the backdrop for a commercial project—then there should be some form of trust such that whatever community grows up around PAW benefits from it rather than any one individual. — ShadowWolf 15:12, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Rules for submission (Or how I learned to keep the record straight.)

Speaking from my experience as one who came in via reading the years of TBP stories produced, I believe there are some very critical rules that are required to help keep the story universe from turning in to an incoherent jumble that is confusing to read and impossible to keep track of in any meaningful way either as reader or writer.

These rules are for a story to be canon. One may still write stories in the setting that remain non-canon.

  1. The author must note the timeframe, as specific as possible, into a date range on the story universe timeline. While a vague range is expected, it should be ideally given within the right year.
  2. Any cannon story must be included on the central repository. You can still display it elsewhere, still retain rights to it, it just must be filed on the central repository. As a reader coming in to the scene as TBP was apparently falling apart, it became incredibly aggravating to try and find the stories to read. Many stories are effectively lost to the ages. Erosion of the founded history of the story universe will kill it quite dead.
  3. Now this rule is somewhat more up to opinion. The inclusion of your PaW story as canon means you authorize its duplication into a collected work of all the PaW stories. You lose no rights. You only authorize the story be able to be printed in book form if for some reason in future this can be arranged. Not-for-profit and what not of course included in the legal jargon.

- Timelord 02:44, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Cleaned up, elucidated on and added to the guidelines. Thanks for the great suggestion! — ShadowWolf 03:11, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Just a thought on note 4 but the punishment meted out can be monitored by various people(the press, concerned citizens, the international community) and it would be transparent to mete out a slap on the wrist for an asassin. A better alternative would be to just simply put someone in charge of investigating who would 'run out of leads'.

--Devin 04:47, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Nothing to say that that isn't done in some cases. It all depends on whether the assassin is known or not. (And we also don't want to head off into "NMF" territory with a hyper-specified, iron straight-jacket of a setting description) — ShadowWolf 14:11, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Question concerning the nature of the Disease

If it's possible to get the Blowtorch Fever more than once, how does it come back? Does one get re-infected? Or is it like the Chicken Pox, where you get infected ones, it then stays with you (though you are not infectious anymore) and then there's a possiblility of it reviving itself, like Shingles? Are you always a carrier of the disease if you are once infected with it? Saber

All of the above? Seriously, though, that's getting into the mechanics of the disease and those mechanics aren't going to be revealed this early. Not that "All of the Above" isn't the correct answer... ShadowWolf 17:34, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

Question about uplifting

When it mentions the 2050 date for the time when biologists confirmed that TFOR affects non-humans, does that mean if we write a story with an uplifted character it has to be set no earlier than 2050? -- Lloyd

"Confirmed" - ie: it has been proven that a non-human origin 'Teefer' exists. The point is that it is in 2050 that they are confirmed to exist - prior to that it was all unconfirmed reports. -- ShadowWolf 21:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Thankee -- Lloyd
I quote, with appropriate emphasis: "'Uplifted animal' teefers have existed all along, but given the chaos and societal breakdown that accompanied the disease's advent, it wasn't until the 2050s that any biologist managed to confirm that the disease does hit species other than human." Just as neutrinos existed before scientists discovered them, so can uplifted-animal teefers exist without any scientist recognizing them for what they are. As well, note that characters can have their own beliefs about things, beliefs which may or may not be true; if you want to write about a pre-2050 teefer who sincerely believes that they're an uplifted animal, go for it! Maybe they're mistaken about that (in which case you have the seed of a story in which they discover the truth about the human being they used to be), and maybe they're right (in which case one of their character traits might be a jaundiced view of scientists, seeing as how those idiots simply refuse to acknowledge that the character "really is" an uplifted animal). Cubist 08:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Confirmation of Possibility

Me again with another question, would shapeshifting be allowed if it follows certain biological capabilities? For example, someone with an overly flexible bone/muscle structure who could shift their body's proportions? -- Lloyd

If you can find a potential method that can be made to sound extremely plausible, then yes. However... we actually already have a shapeshifter, though her abilities are somewhat limited. -- ShadowWolf 01:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Nuclear Weapons and Texas

I discovered this when doing research for my short story. It seems that Most, if not all, of the USA's nuclear weapons are maintained at the Pantex facility. Does this mean that Texas had a fair number of nuclear weapons when it Split off into the new Republic of Texas? How do Nuclear weapons fit into the world setting? --Concerned Reader 07:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

They are feared by all. And with Europe and Asia still fighting to get back on their feet as late as 2038... There are two flat-tops and at least one battleship missing - and those are being sought by the NAR, Texas and Quebec. Most of the strategic submarine fleet from the US was at sea when the collapse happened and, like the rest of the US Navy, turned privateer for the period of the collapse. However... One of the Ohio Class SSBN's never reported back and is listed, officially, as "missing, possibly destroyed" but is being hunted as a potential renegade element. -- ShadowWolf 13:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd just like to add that anyone who intends to write a story about this should be VERY careful. One of the things that, in my opinion, led to the downfall of the Blind Pig setting was the introduction of millitant groups like the terrorist luddites. --Lloyd

I agree completely. I don't trust myself to handle nuclear weapons, or most military storylines. I asked for reference, as my characters dad works as a guard at the Pantex facility in Amarillo, TX. If you don't mind, should we add this info to one of the timelines? Or is it more of a behind the scenes sort of information? --Concerned Reader 16:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It seems important to warrant being on the timeline, but anyone who plans to incorporate it into a story should do so with caution is all I'm saying --Lloyd
Lloyd is right about this. Everything in my original answer should be noted somewhere. There is more - see Enter a Wolf for a chat between two aging soldiers about some of the things that happened in the war. Dash was part of the US Navy during the collapse and if the Collab is ever finished there might be some information on how the US Navy survived during its Privateer days...
Basically, though, what I mentioned in my original answer is stuff hinted at but never directly covered in any of the conversations about the design - or it was talked about and not encoded in the final design. In either case it was handled that way to be careful about being over-specific so that the writers of the setting could help create it. Looks like some of it (including the bits about the nuclear weapons) should have been specified anyway. -- ShadowWolf 19:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor Clarification

In the bar description it says the Whistle is based on a western-style theme restaurant but in Little Things it says that it was based off of a Final Fantasy inn. I'm not sure if there's actually a difference, but if someone could clarify it for me it would help me in the description I'm writing up in my story. --Lloyd

As I understand it, it's a western theme bar, where the theme is a Final Fantasy Inn. Like So.--Concerned Reader 00:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. Actually it was designed, originally, as a bar with and "old west" theme. But when that bar failed it was redesigned with an "idealized medieval" theme - ie: 'final fantasy like' - but never actually opened with that theme because the collapse interfered. -- ShadowWolf 01:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
And I've fixed the setting page... Apparently the whole "fantasy redesign" thing was a late addition that came about after we had created the page. -- ShadowWolf 04:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You just got Retconned!!!!! --Concerned Reader 04:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Genome Project

This is just a thought, but with something like TFOR wouldn't the Human Genome Project become the best place to research for it? After all, you have some of the best geneticists in the world trying to decode human DNA when the Torch comes along, so it could be a natural shift when you think about it. I'd appreciate if someone could tell me if this would be a canon idea since it's relevant to something I'm writing at the moment. --Lloyd

This is part of the deal with the big tech boom starting around 2050 and picking up steam as the setting heads towards the twenty-second century. Because of the collapse and the subsequent rebuilding there should not be any action on this until after 2060 or so. And even then the genetics of some TFOR's refuse to be easily decoded. (they might contain more than ACTG, they might be more dense than the standard double-helix or any number of other issues that hold up the study of those genomes) -- ShadowWolf 12:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that there would be any significant discoveries, as that would hamper the integrity of the setting, but there would always be people studying TFOR and the Genome Project would be the place where the researchers sort of congregate. --Lloyd
Nope. What I'm getting at is that before 2045 or so people were more caught up in "rebuild everything that got destroyed in the collapse, including the science labs". And that includes all kinds of things - like the Internet, Intel's foundries, Microsoft's campus, etc... It really is simple - all research was "on hold" until the funding turned up again. Prior to the 2040's there was no funding except from private sources and prior to 2045 or so the funding was limited to projects that could solve immediate problems in a short time-frame. So prior to the late 2040's there would have been no money available to fund any research like you mentioned - prior to about 2050 all research into TFOR granted powers was seen as "not worth the money because there is no chance of a short-term return". (In 2049 a small start-up research lab discovered part of the mechanism behind one Teefer's levitation ability - they announced the finding to the "world" (what parts had gotten back in contact by that point) in 2050 and in 2055 brought it to market - so after 2050 is when research funds start really becoming available for looking into TFOR and things like the genetics of Teefers) -- ShadowWolf 14:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I see. That makes sense then.--Lloyd

Size and gender of teefers

I haven't read all the stories set in the universe yet, and I apologize if this may be addressed in one of the stories I haven't read yet, but I didn't find any mention of it in the setting overview, so I figured I'd ask: Are teefers necessarily (approximately) human-sized, or are some of them significantly larger or smaller? Could a human/whale hybrid teefer, for instance, be much larger than human sized, or a human/ant teefer much smaller? I realize there are practical limitations -- a teefer could presumably not actually be ant-sized (or even rat-sized) and maintain anything like human intelligence, for instance, since there's no room for a sufficiently complex brain -- but beyond that, how much variation is there in the sizes of teefers? ---- Bick 18:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

(Also, another question just occurred to me -- not that I'm particularly interested in TG transformations, but do they occur? What happens if a male human is hybridized with the genome of a female animal, or vice versa? Or does this simply not happen, and the teefer is always the same gender as the pre-transformed individual?) ---- Bick 19:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

There are no size restrictions, but the change will always favor maintaining the intelligence of the person. And yes, there is a chance at TG - but the person would no longer be fully human. That is a limitation on the changes - it has to be "base human + something else". What that means is that for the TG to occur it would have to be a nominally female "other" that gets merged. When we designed the setting there were limitations brought on by how we envisioned the change occurring and you've hit on one of the limitations. It's always "base human + something else" - and there are no limits on how that "something else" is expressed. -- ShadowWolf 23:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I assumed that if TG happened at all, it would be by hybridization with a non-human of the opposite sex; I didn't think that there'd be just human-male-to-human-female TG (or vice versa). Anyway, that was just out of curiosity at any rate... like I said, I'm not really into TG, and wasn't necessarily planning on incorporating it anyway; it just occurred to me to wonder whether it happened in the setting. The first question, about the size restrictions, does have some connection to a story idea I'm considering, though... (although, now that I think of it, the TG question may come into play in the story in a way after all, though not in a way that actually involves straightforward TG, per se...) Anyway, thanks for your quick answers to my questions! ---- Bick 00:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar…

You know, a lot of the ideas that are the basis for this story universe seem to be identical to those that underlie the. Except for some political differences and the existence of the Pig and Whistle bar in this universe, I'd say that it's pretty much identical to the, wouldn't you? Even the timing of the origin of the disease at fault for all of the transformations involved is identical! This wasn't intentional plagiarism, was it? I both hope and am pretty sure that it wasn't because I haven't seen any evidence that you guys here knew about the or they knew about this universe so far. What do you guys think of this coincidence? Is it worth following to what its existence implies might be its logical conclusion — i. e.: merging these two story universes?
— RandomDSdevel (talk) 19:07, 4 November 2014 (EST)