User talk:JonBuck/Tall Tales - Revision history

MarianLH at 19:29, 10 April 2012

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	:She was a Year 2 Changed, since two changed that year (making three furs total). She calls herself the third because she's also the first non-fox. Keep in mind that she's probably just trying to be witty here and probably misspoke on purpose. :) --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)		:She was a Year 2 Changed, since two changed that year (making three furs total). She calls herself the third because she's also the first non-fox. Keep in mind that she's probably just trying to be witty here and probably misspoke on purpose. :) --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

			::I ''did'' make a math goof. I just now realized that all this time I've been conflating the total population with the number of people who changed each year. I.e., I was counting one person in 1987, two more in 1988, four more Changed in 1989, etc. But the chart on the main page lists those numbers as being the total population for each year, not the number who changed that year. Otherwise, milestones would come a year earlier--one million in 2006 instead of 2007, and everybody furry in 2019, etc.

			::For the total population numbers to be right, it would have to be one in 1987, one more in 1988 for a ''total'' of two, and two in 1989 for a total of four.

			::So the first three years would be:
			::*1987: Cass/Teri
			::*1988: Reynaldo/Ray
			::*1989: Red and the schmuck in Sheboygan

			::And now Red's comment makes sense, and everything adds up. Except it contradicts what you wrote in your reply, so either you made the same mistake I did, or I'm still missing something. Gah! Math makes my head hurt! [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 19:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

JonBuck: /* About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... */

2011-03-11T19:18:20Z

About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan...

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	I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something? [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 14:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)		I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something? [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 14:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

	:She was a Year 2 Changed, since two changed that year (making three furs total). She calls herself the third because she's also the first non-fox. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)		:She was a Year 2 Changed, since two changed that year (making three furs total). She calls herself the third because she's also the first non-fox. Keep in mind that she's probably just trying to be witty here and probably misspoke on purpose. :) --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

JonBuck: /* About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... */

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About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan...

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	I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something? [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 14:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)		I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something? [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 14:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

			:She was a Year 2 Changed, since two changed that year (making three furs total). She calls herself the third because she's also the first non-fox. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

MarianLH: /* About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... */

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About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan...

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	== About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... ==		== About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... ==

	I'm a bit confused about Red Shetland's comments regarding the earliest Changed. I initially though Red's "I was the third" line meant she was the third Changed ever, but there would only have been three total that year, so why does she think there was a fourth? I then thought maybe she meant she was from Year 3, and the "two foxes, me, and probably some poor schmuck in Sheboygan" were the four from Year 3. But then MatthiasRat's "Model Building" implies that Red is Number Three, and now I'm confused again.		I'm a bit confused about Red Shetland's comments regarding the earliest Changed. I initially though Red's "I was the third" line meant she was the third Changed ever, but there would only have been three total that year, so why does she think there was a fourth? I then thought maybe she meant she was from '''Year''' 3, and the "two foxes, me, and probably some poor schmuck in Sheboygan" were the four from Year 3. But then MatthiasRat's "Model Building" implies that Red is Number Three, and now I'm confused again.

	I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something?		I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something? [[User:MarianLH\|MarianLH]] 14:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

MarianLH: A question

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A question

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	--[[User:Jetfire\|Jetfire]] 16:03, 20 February 2008 (EST)		--[[User:Jetfire\|Jetfire]] 16:03, 20 February 2008 (EST)

			== About The Poor Schmuck In Sheboygan... ==

			I'm a bit confused about Red Shetland's comments regarding the earliest Changed. I initially though Red's "I was the third" line meant she was the third Changed ever, but there would only have been three total that year, so why does she think there was a fourth? I then thought maybe she meant she was from Year 3, and the "two foxes, me, and probably some poor schmuck in Sheboygan" were the four from Year 3. But then MatthiasRat's "Model Building" implies that Red is Number Three, and now I'm confused again.

			I'm a mathemathical moron, so maybe I'm missing something?

Jetfire: Editing comments

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Editing comments

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	::::::I doubt that the Bakken oil deposits are anywhere near as large as those sites claim, else we would've heard about them long ago. But in the worldsim they ''would'' fit the bill. At any rate, I'll keep this in mind and I may edit a few things. There's an element of redundancy between the two Big Discoveries, but call it ROB covering its figurative tail. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 02:37, 18 February 2008 (EST)		::::::I doubt that the Bakken oil deposits are anywhere near as large as those sites claim, else we would've heard about them long ago. But in the worldsim they ''would'' fit the bill. At any rate, I'll keep this in mind and I may edit a few things. There's an element of redundancy between the two Big Discoveries, but call it ROB covering its figurative tail. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 02:37, 18 February 2008 (EST)

			== Editing comments ==

			Just some comments on it as I reread it again

			*For some reason this section keeps jumping out at me as awkward. I think I'm having a hard time visualizing the actions:

			:''BD reflexively folded her arms across her breasts. Unlike Jerome and Tara, her sex had changed as well. But due to the Reality Distortion Field the woman still saw a short, goateed man dressed in the same outfit BD was wearing. The woman shared her Canadian accent. "Edmonton," BD said.''

			:''The lynx swallowed awkwardly. Thankfully, the line started moving before she needed to reply, interrupting them as the Canadian girl started rummaging in her purse for a pair of cat ears.''

			*With DL's introduction, you may want to flesh out her clothing description a bit. In one part it sounds like she's in full woman's wear, in another it almost sounds like she might just have normal clothing but a bra, and the bra was causing the issues.

			*The flow seems a bit off in this section:

			:''"This is so surreal," Tara said, repressing a giggle at someone walking around in a rather elaborate fox suit. His so-called "furless lackey" - the person who walks with a fursuiter and fends off trouble and troublemakers - was anything but, and a vulpine herself. The red vixen had to work even harder to repress her giggles, but couldn't resist a very human smile. "What goes on in people's heads?"''

			* "No Humans Allowed" feels out of place here with the flow

			:"Time for the meeting," Tara said, tugging on her lover's elbow. Other furs were starting to drift in the Main Ballroom's direction for the invitation-only event, laughably called "Orientation". As if the last two months hadn't been.

			:No humans allowed.

			:Jerome and Tara were two of the first to arrive, with one of the cougars checking their invitations. He politely didn't smile, and gestured at a number three on his nametag. Three years since his change! There were only a tenth as many furs the day he changed compared to Jerome.

			* Are the quotes needed around Red Shetland here?
			:"Red Shetland" perked her ears. "Oh, really? Do you have a better explanation?"

			*Somewhat rough flow here:
			''People immediately started to leave the room, even as more leapt up on stage to restrain the angry desperate man--or former woman, now that Jerome saw his clothing. Because as the cussing continued, he broke down into sobs. "Oh shit... oh shit... oh shit..."''

			*"So What?" is a question, not a statement ( I think)
			:''The cat-man gave him a nasty look, grinning smugly like only a feline can. "'''So what.''' I was worse than he was before I ended up this way. Mind your own business, venison."''

			Similarly, it should be "There are" or maybe "There're" (which isn't a real word I don't think, but I know I've used it in speech myself. :) ) not "There's"
			:''"There's'' assholes everywhere


			Gotta head home now, will probably post more later when I get to the rest, if you want. :)

			--[[User:Jetfire\|Jetfire]] 16:03, 20 February 2008 (EST)

JonBuck: /* Oil Discoveries and other considerations */

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Oil Discoveries and other considerations

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	::As for restoring the food supply, it depends on when ROB starts. If he does it early enough, he can do it gradually and it'd be classified as the conservation methods "finally working". If the Grand Bank Cod supplies were suddenly restored to pre-Columbus levels in a year it'd be noticeable. But a resurgeance over the 2000's likely wouldn't be flagged as suspicious.		::As for restoring the food supply, it depends on when ROB starts. If he does it early enough, he can do it gradually and it'd be classified as the conservation methods "finally working". If the Grand Bank Cod supplies were suddenly restored to pre-Columbus levels in a year it'd be noticeable. But a resurgeance over the 2000's likely wouldn't be flagged as suspicious.

	--[[User:Jetfire\|Jetfire]] 17:47, 17 February 2008 (EST)		::--[[User:Jetfire\|Jetfire]] 17:47, 17 February 2008 (EST)


	:::Im not sure about putting them in southern alberta either...		:::Im not sure about putting them in southern alberta either...
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	:::I wish I'd read this earlier today, I could have asked my dad while I was visiting if he's ever had a well start producing more oil than expected. He's been working rigs since he was sixteen. >.<--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)		:::I wish I'd read this earlier today, I could have asked my dad while I was visiting if he's ever had a well start producing more oil than expected. He's been working rigs since he was sixteen. >.<--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)


	::::Heh! I just remembered something that might work even better. Just recently the premier for alberta increased the oil royaltys that the province will be recieving from the industry. Now this wont affect big oil all that much but there has been worry about the smaller companys who are having trouble making ends meet with how expensive it already is to operate.		::::Heh! I just remembered something that might work even better. Just recently the premier for alberta increased the oil royaltys that the province will be recieving from the industry. Now this wont affect big oil all that much but there has been worry about the smaller companys who are having trouble making ends meet with how expensive it already is to operate.
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	::::: Just one last thought, I've never seen oil drilling to cause any problems for farmers. Just the opposite in fact, to drill for oil a company needs to pay a farmer for the right to drill, ussually that pay off is in the seventy thousand dollar and up range and the actual derrick site and access road only takes up about 1/20th the land area of an average cattle pasture so often you'll see cows grazing just a stones throw away from where a rig crew is getting drilling done. After the drilling is done the only thing left is the pump jack itself and these are barely noticeable on a field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pump_jack_animation.gif --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:34, 17 February 2008 (EST)		::::: Just one last thought, I've never seen oil drilling to cause any problems for farmers. Just the opposite in fact, to drill for oil a company needs to pay a farmer for the right to drill, ussually that pay off is in the seventy thousand dollar and up range and the actual derrick site and access road only takes up about 1/20th the land area of an average cattle pasture so often you'll see cows grazing just a stones throw away from where a rig crew is getting drilling done. After the drilling is done the only thing left is the pump jack itself and these are barely noticeable on a field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pump_jack_animation.gif --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:34, 17 February 2008 (EST)

			::::::I doubt that the Bakken oil deposits are anywhere near as large as those sites claim, else we would've heard about them long ago. But in the worldsim they ''would'' fit the bill. At any rate, I'll keep this in mind and I may edit a few things. There's an element of redundancy between the two Big Discoveries, but call it ROB covering its figurative tail. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 02:37, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Devin: /* Oil Discoveries and other considerations */

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	::::I nominate the Montana, Dakota, Saskatchewan area as being the place for ROB to put 'new' oil. :) --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)		::::I nominate the Montana, Dakota, Saskatchewan area as being the place for ROB to put 'new' oil. :) --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)

			::::: Just one last thought, I've never seen oil drilling to cause any problems for farmers. Just the opposite in fact, to drill for oil a company needs to pay a farmer for the right to drill, ussually that pay off is in the seventy thousand dollar and up range and the actual derrick site and access road only takes up about 1/20th the land area of an average cattle pasture so often you'll see cows grazing just a stones throw away from where a rig crew is getting drilling done. After the drilling is done the only thing left is the pump jack itself and these are barely noticeable on a field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pump_jack_animation.gif --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:34, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Devin: /* Oil Discoveries and other considerations */

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Oil Discoveries and other considerations

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	:::I wish I'd read this earlier today, I could have asked my dad while I was visiting if he's ever had a well start producing more oil than expected. He's been working rigs since he was sixteen. >.<--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)		:::I wish I'd read this earlier today, I could have asked my dad while I was visiting if he's ever had a well start producing more oil than expected. He's been working rigs since he was sixteen. >.<--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)


			::::Heh! I just remembered something that might work even better. Just recently the premier for alberta increased the oil royaltys that the province will be recieving from the industry. Now this wont affect big oil all that much but there has been worry about the smaller companys who are having trouble making ends meet with how expensive it already is to operate.

			::::The Bakken oil fields(North Dakota and montana) have recently had new surveying done that estimates the oil reserves to be even larger than those in Alaska and the reserves also stretch up into southern saskatchewan. What some people are thinking is that the smaller companys will pack up for southern saskatchewan to hit these reserves.

			::::http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/bakken-oil-production/613

			::::I nominate the Montana, Dakota, Saskatchewan area as being the place for ROB to put 'new' oil. :) --[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 20:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Devin at 00:56, 18 February 2008

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	:::I've seen them using what we call 'Thumpers' at least a few times just around my home town that use sound waves to map out the size and extent of oil deposits before any drilling is done. I wasn't sure on the exact tech but I know just 'exploring' for oil is a high cost and risk industry. For existing mapped oil wells to start producing more oil(the derricks or pump jacks would more than likely notice changes in the pressure of oil coming out of the wells.) especially on the levels where the oil companys would have to make any heavy readjustments to their expected revenues.		:::I've seen them using what we call 'Thumpers' at least a few times just around my home town that use sound waves to map out the size and extent of oil deposits before any drilling is done. I wasn't sure on the exact tech but I know just 'exploring' for oil is a high cost and risk industry. For existing mapped oil wells to start producing more oil(the derricks or pump jacks would more than likely notice changes in the pressure of oil coming out of the wells.) especially on the levels where the oil companys would have to make any heavy readjustments to their expected revenues.

	:::But thats just my problem with the idea of adding onto the volume of 'Existing' drilled wells. New wells are being mapped out in southern alberta almost constantly. Hell just last year they set up a derrick and drilled a new well right on the pasture of my dads farm that they had just explored seven years ago.--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)		:::But thats just my problem with the idea of adding onto the volume of 'Existing' drilled wells. New wells are being mapped out in southern alberta almost constantly. Hell just last year they set up a derrick and drilled a new well right on the pasture of my dads farm that they had just explored seven years ago.

			:::I wish I'd read this earlier today, I could have asked my dad while I was visiting if he's ever had a well start producing more oil than expected. He's been working rigs since he was sixteen. >.<--[[User:Devin\|Devin]] 19:52, 17 February 2008 (EST)