Talk:Pig and Whistle - Revision history

RandomDSdevel: /* This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar… */ Fixed my post's time stamp.

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This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar…: Fixed my post's time stamp.

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	You know, a ''lot'' of the ideas that are the basis for this story universe seem to be ''identical'' to those that underlie the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]]. Except for some political differences and the existence of the ''Pig and Whistle'' bar in this universe, I'd say that it's pretty much ''identical'' to the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]], wouldn't you? Even the timing of the origin of the disease at fault for all of the transformations involved is identical! This wasn't intentional plagiarism, was it? I both hope and am pretty sure that it wasn't because I haven't seen any evidence that you guys here knew about the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]] or they knew about this universe so far. What do you guys think of this coincidence? Is it worth following to what its existence implies might be its logical conclusion — i. e.: merging these two story universes? <br />		You know, a ''lot'' of the ideas that are the basis for this story universe seem to be ''identical'' to those that underlie the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]]. Except for some political differences and the existence of the ''Pig and Whistle'' bar in this universe, I'd say that it's pretty much ''identical'' to the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]], wouldn't you? Even the timing of the origin of the disease at fault for all of the transformations involved is identical! This wasn't intentional plagiarism, was it? I both hope and am pretty sure that it wasn't because I haven't seen any evidence that you guys here knew about the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]] or they knew about this universe so far. What do you guys think of this coincidence? Is it worth following to what its existence implies might be its logical conclusion — i. e.: merging these two story universes? <br />
	— [[User:RandomDSdevel\|RandomDSdevel]] ([[User talk:RandomDSdevel\|talk]]) 18:07, 4 November 2014 (~~CST~~)		— [[User:RandomDSdevel\|RandomDSdevel]] ([[User talk:RandomDSdevel\|talk]]) 19:07, 4 November 2014 (EST)

RandomDSdevel: /* This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar… */ new section

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This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar…: new section

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	::Oh, yes, I assumed that if TG happened at all, it would be by hybridization with a non-human of the opposite sex; I didn't think that there'd be just human-male-to-human-female TG (or vice versa). Anyway, that was just out of curiosity at any rate... like I said, I'm not really into TG, and wasn't necessarily planning on incorporating it anyway; it just occurred to me to wonder whether it happened in the setting. The first question, about the size restrictions, ''does'' have some connection to a story idea I'm considering, though... (although, now that I think of it, the TG question may come into play in the story in a way after all, though not in a way that actually involves straightforward TG, per se...) Anyway, thanks for your quick answers to my questions! ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 00:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)		::Oh, yes, I assumed that if TG happened at all, it would be by hybridization with a non-human of the opposite sex; I didn't think that there'd be just human-male-to-human-female TG (or vice versa). Anyway, that was just out of curiosity at any rate... like I said, I'm not really into TG, and wasn't necessarily planning on incorporating it anyway; it just occurred to me to wonder whether it happened in the setting. The first question, about the size restrictions, ''does'' have some connection to a story idea I'm considering, though... (although, now that I think of it, the TG question may come into play in the story in a way after all, though not in a way that actually involves straightforward TG, per se...) Anyway, thanks for your quick answers to my questions! ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 00:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

			== This Universe Seems Kind of Familiar… ==

			You know, a ''lot'' of the ideas that are the basis for this story universe seem to be ''identical'' to those that underlie the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]]. Except for some political differences and the existence of the ''Pig and Whistle'' bar in this universe, I'd say that it's pretty much ''identical'' to the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]], wouldn't you? Even the timing of the origin of the disease at fault for all of the transformations involved is identical! This wasn't intentional plagiarism, was it? I both hope and am pretty sure that it wasn't because I haven't seen any evidence that you guys here knew about the [[Category:MORFS\|'MORFS' universe]] or they knew about this universe so far. What do you guys think of this coincidence? Is it worth following to what its existence implies might be its logical conclusion — i. e.: merging these two story universes? <br />
			— [[User:RandomDSdevel\|RandomDSdevel]] ([[User talk:RandomDSdevel\|talk]]) 18:07, 4 November 2014 (CST)

RandomDSdevel: Moved a discussion from this page's heading to a section of its own.

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Moved a discussion from this page's heading to a section of its own.

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			== Discussion on Universe Origins and Other Topics Originally Hosted in Page Header ==
	Thanks for that work, Cubist! — [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 21:18, 28 August 2007 (EDT)		Thanks for that work, Cubist! — [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 21:18, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Bick: /* Size and gender of teefers */

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Size and gender of teefers

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	:There are no size restrictions, but the change will always favor maintaining the intelligence of the person. And yes, there is a chance at TG - but the person would no longer be fully human. That is a limitation on the changes - it has to be "base human + something else". What that means is that for the TG to occur it would have to be a nominally female "other" that gets merged. When we designed the setting there were limitations brought on by how we envisioned the change occurring and you've hit on one of the limitations. It's always "base human + something else" - and there are no limits on how that "something else" is expressed. -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 23:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)		:There are no size restrictions, but the change will always favor maintaining the intelligence of the person. And yes, there is a chance at TG - but the person would no longer be fully human. That is a limitation on the changes - it has to be "base human + something else". What that means is that for the TG to occur it would have to be a nominally female "other" that gets merged. When we designed the setting there were limitations brought on by how we envisioned the change occurring and you've hit on one of the limitations. It's always "base human + something else" - and there are no limits on how that "something else" is expressed. -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 23:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

			::Oh, yes, I assumed that if TG happened at all, it would be by hybridization with a non-human of the opposite sex; I didn't think that there'd be just human-male-to-human-female TG (or vice versa). Anyway, that was just out of curiosity at any rate... like I said, I'm not really into TG, and wasn't necessarily planning on incorporating it anyway; it just occurred to me to wonder whether it happened in the setting. The first question, about the size restrictions, ''does'' have some connection to a story idea I'm considering, though... (although, now that I think of it, the TG question may come into play in the story in a way after all, though not in a way that actually involves straightforward TG, per se...) Anyway, thanks for your quick answers to my questions! ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 00:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

ShadowWolf: /* Size and gender of teefers */ answering a question is fun

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Size and gender of teefers: answering a question is fun

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	(Also, another question just occurred to me -- not that I'm particularly interested in TG transformations, but do they occur? What happens if a male human is hybridized with the genome of a female animal, or vice versa? Or does this simply not happen, and the teefer is always the same gender as the pre-transformed individual?) ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 19:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)		(Also, another question just occurred to me -- not that I'm particularly interested in TG transformations, but do they occur? What happens if a male human is hybridized with the genome of a female animal, or vice versa? Or does this simply not happen, and the teefer is always the same gender as the pre-transformed individual?) ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 19:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

			:There are no size restrictions, but the change will always favor maintaining the intelligence of the person. And yes, there is a chance at TG - but the person would no longer be fully human. That is a limitation on the changes - it has to be "base human + something else". What that means is that for the TG to occur it would have to be a nominally female "other" that gets merged. When we designed the setting there were limitations brought on by how we envisioned the change occurring and you've hit on one of the limitations. It's always "base human + something else" - and there are no limits on how that "something else" is expressed. -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 23:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Bick: /* Size of teefers */

2011-05-14T19:23:13Z

Size of teefers

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	::::I see. That makes sense then.--[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]		::::I see. That makes sense then.--[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

	== Size of teefers ==		== Size and gender of teefers ==

	I haven't read all the stories set in the universe yet, and I apologize if this may be addressed in one of the stories I haven't read yet, but I didn't find any mention of it in the setting overview, so I figured I'd ask: Are teefers necessarily (approximately) human-sized, or are some of them significantly larger or smaller? Could a human/whale hybrid teefer, for instance, be much larger than human sized, or a human/ant teefer much smaller? I realize there are practical limitations -- a teefer could presumably not actually be ant-sized (or even rat-sized) and maintain anything like human intelligence, for instance, since there's no room for a sufficiently complex brain -- but beyond that, how much variation is there in the sizes of teefers? ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 18:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)		I haven't read all the stories set in the universe yet, and I apologize if this may be addressed in one of the stories I haven't read yet, but I didn't find any mention of it in the setting overview, so I figured I'd ask: Are teefers necessarily (approximately) human-sized, or are some of them significantly larger or smaller? Could a human/whale hybrid teefer, for instance, be much larger than human sized, or a human/ant teefer much smaller? I realize there are practical limitations -- a teefer could presumably not actually be ant-sized (or even rat-sized) and maintain anything like human intelligence, for instance, since there's no room for a sufficiently complex brain -- but beyond that, how much variation is there in the sizes of teefers? ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 18:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

			(Also, another question just occurred to me -- not that I'm particularly interested in TG transformations, but do they occur? What happens if a male human is hybridized with the genome of a female animal, or vice versa? Or does this simply not happen, and the teefer is always the same gender as the pre-transformed individual?) ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 19:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Bick: /* Size of teefers */ new section

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Size of teefers: new section

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	::::I see. That makes sense then.--[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]		::::I see. That makes sense then.--[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

			== Size of teefers ==

			I haven't read all the stories set in the universe yet, and I apologize if this may be addressed in one of the stories I haven't read yet, but I didn't find any mention of it in the setting overview, so I figured I'd ask: Are teefers necessarily (approximately) human-sized, or are some of them significantly larger or smaller? Could a human/whale hybrid teefer, for instance, be much larger than human sized, or a human/ant teefer much smaller? I realize there are practical limitations -- a teefer could presumably not actually be ant-sized (or even rat-sized) and maintain anything like human intelligence, for instance, since there's no room for a sufficiently complex brain -- but beyond that, how much variation is there in the sizes of teefers? ---- [[User:Bick\|Bick]] 18:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Lloyd Brunnel at 15:09, 13 June 2009

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	:::Nope. What I'm getting at is that before 2045 or so people were more caught up in "rebuild everything that got destroyed in the collapse, including the science labs". And that includes all kinds of things - like the Internet, Intel's foundries, Microsoft's campus, etc... It really is simple - all research was "on hold" until the funding turned up again. Prior to the 2040's there was no funding except from private sources and prior to 2045 or so the funding was limited to projects that could solve immediate problems in a short time-frame. So prior to the late 2040's there would have been no money available to fund any research like you mentioned - prior to about 2050 all research into TFOR granted powers was seen as "not worth the money because there is no chance of a short-term return". (In 2049 a small start-up research lab discovered part of the mechanism behind one Teefer's levitation ability - they announced the finding to the "world" (what parts had gotten back in contact by that point) in 2050 and in 2055 brought it to market - so after 2050 is when research funds start really becoming available for looking into TFOR and things like the genetics of Teefers) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 14:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)		:::Nope. What I'm getting at is that before 2045 or so people were more caught up in "rebuild everything that got destroyed in the collapse, including the science labs". And that includes all kinds of things - like the Internet, Intel's foundries, Microsoft's campus, etc... It really is simple - all research was "on hold" until the funding turned up again. Prior to the 2040's there was no funding except from private sources and prior to 2045 or so the funding was limited to projects that could solve immediate problems in a short time-frame. So prior to the late 2040's there would have been no money available to fund any research like you mentioned - prior to about 2050 all research into TFOR granted powers was seen as "not worth the money because there is no chance of a short-term return". (In 2049 a small start-up research lab discovered part of the mechanism behind one Teefer's levitation ability - they announced the finding to the "world" (what parts had gotten back in contact by that point) in 2050 and in 2055 brought it to market - so after 2050 is when research funds start really becoming available for looking into TFOR and things like the genetics of Teefers) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 14:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

			::::I see. That makes sense then.--[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

ShadowWolf: /* The Genome Project */ :(

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The Genome Project: :(

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	::I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that there would be any significant discoveries, as that would hamper the integrity of the setting, but there would always be people studying TFOR and the Genome Project would be the place where the researchers sort of congregate. --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]		::I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that there would be any significant discoveries, as that would hamper the integrity of the setting, but there would always be people studying TFOR and the Genome Project would be the place where the researchers sort of congregate. --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

			:::Nope. What I'm getting at is that before 2045 or so people were more caught up in "rebuild everything that got destroyed in the collapse, including the science labs". And that includes all kinds of things - like the Internet, Intel's foundries, Microsoft's campus, etc... It really is simple - all research was "on hold" until the funding turned up again. Prior to the 2040's there was no funding except from private sources and prior to 2045 or so the funding was limited to projects that could solve immediate problems in a short time-frame. So prior to the late 2040's there would have been no money available to fund any research like you mentioned - prior to about 2050 all research into TFOR granted powers was seen as "not worth the money because there is no chance of a short-term return". (In 2049 a small start-up research lab discovered part of the mechanism behind one Teefer's levitation ability - they announced the finding to the "world" (what parts had gotten back in contact by that point) in 2050 and in 2055 brought it to market - so after 2050 is when research funds start really becoming available for looking into TFOR and things like the genetics of Teefers) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 14:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Brunnel at 14:23, 13 June 2009

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	:This is part of the deal with the big tech boom starting around 2050 and picking up steam as the setting heads towards the twenty-second century. Because of the collapse and the subsequent rebuilding there should not be any action on this until after 2060 or so. And even then the genetics of some TFOR's refuse to be easily decoded. (they might contain more than ACTG, they might be more dense than the standard double-helix or any number of other issues that hold up the study of those genomes) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 12:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)		:This is part of the deal with the big tech boom starting around 2050 and picking up steam as the setting heads towards the twenty-second century. Because of the collapse and the subsequent rebuilding there should not be any action on this until after 2060 or so. And even then the genetics of some TFOR's refuse to be easily decoded. (they might contain more than ACTG, they might be more dense than the standard double-helix or any number of other issues that hold up the study of those genomes) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 12:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

			::I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that there would be any significant discoveries, as that would hamper the integrity of the setting, but there would always be people studying TFOR and the Genome Project would be the place where the researchers sort of congregate. --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]