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ShadowWolf: /* On Polyton and the Hotel */ another question answered :)

2009-06-03T19:16:26Z

On Polyton and the Hotel: another question answered :)

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	:: Would it be ok if I used Polyton in place of the city name for titles or names (like that of a hospital or police station for example)? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]		:: Would it be ok if I used Polyton in place of the city name for titles or names (like that of a hospital or police station for example)? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

			:::Go for it. No need for us to get 'Matrix' and just have 'City' for every label :) (I'm not joking - if you pay close attention to the original movie, every place that would have a city name just says 'City') -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Brunnel at 19:10, 3 June 2009

2009-06-03T19:10:22Z

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	:Anyway... Thanks for the interest in the setting. PAW needs some more people writing stories using it as a setting :)		:Anyway... Thanks for the interest in the setting. PAW needs some more people writing stories using it as a setting :)
	::: -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::: -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

			:: Would it be ok if I used Polyton in place of the city name for titles or names (like that of a hospital or police station for example)? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

ShadowWolf: /* Sue */ another inter-wiki link fix

2009-06-02T19:54:35Z

Sue: another inter-wiki link fix

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	Not sure on when this story is supposed to be set but looking at the dates given in the 'little things' I assumed it was at least 2038.		Not sure on when this story is supposed to be set but looking at the dates given in the 'little things' I assumed it was at least 2038.

	I am aiming with this character to show a bit of technology from the near future to contrast with the anti technological bias in the blind pig storys. Today prosthesis are about roughly 1/6th as strong as normal human limbs but research into stuff like [[~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_elastomers~~ Dielectric elastomers]] points towards possible fully functional prosthetic limbs in the forseeable future, even DARPA has doled out funding with the mission of developing a prosthetic arm as functionally capable as a human arm by 2009.		I am aiming with this character to show a bit of technology from the near future to contrast with the anti technological bias in the blind pig storys. Today prosthesis are about roughly 1/6th as strong as normal human limbs but research into stuff like [[wikipedia:Dielectric elastomers\|Dielectric elastomers]] points towards possible fully functional prosthetic limbs in the forseeable future, even DARPA has doled out funding with the mission of developing a prosthetic arm as functionally capable as a human arm by 2009.

ShadowWolf: /* About The Technology */ more inter-wiki links instead of external ones

2009-06-02T19:53:42Z

About The Technology: more inter-wiki links instead of external ones

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	I can understand the death of Windows, it's not that far away as it is now, but I am having a few issues with the widespread Linux/BSD viruses. Especially in an embedded system like Prosthetic Legs. For a Linux virus to be widespread, it would have to work on every possible architecture. Currently we have x86, x64, SPARC, PowerPC, and a ton of others for embedded systems such as phones, calculators, and gaming systems. In the 30-50 years forward that this takes place, who knows how many architectures there would be, and each and ever one of them would have to have a virus custom compiled for it.		I can understand the death of Windows, it's not that far away as it is now, but I am having a few issues with the widespread Linux/BSD viruses. Especially in an embedded system like Prosthetic Legs. For a Linux virus to be widespread, it would have to work on every possible architecture. Currently we have x86, x64, SPARC, PowerPC, and a ton of others for embedded systems such as phones, calculators, and gaming systems. In the 30-50 years forward that this takes place, who knows how many architectures there would be, and each and ever one of them would have to have a virus custom compiled for it.

	For the sake of the story, lets say they chose a Global Integrated Architecture Standard, call it GIAS for short, and any embedded system would have to support the GIAS instruction set. With a universal instruction set, hackers and such could write viruses for only one architecture. Even then, an embedded system would have it's own flavor of Linux built for it, with it's own unique protocols. The hackers would have to be maliciously targeting only that brand of embedded Linux, ignoring broader and far easier mainstream targets. Thats how Linux and OSX stayed virus free for so long. Windows is so much more widespread than the competition, and hackers want their work known, so they target as large an audience as they can. It's not all that hard to hack a Mac. [http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207000434]. If you have a mac yourself, just hold down "Command+S" when you boot it up. It will load right into SuperUser mode, a fancy name for [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Root_user[Root]]. Thats how I put myself on my schools [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Sudo[sudoers]] list. But spammers gain almost nothing from putting botnets on macs, when PC's are so much more widespread.		For the sake of the story, lets say they chose a Global Integrated Architecture Standard, call it GIAS for short, and any embedded system would have to support the GIAS instruction set. With a universal instruction set, hackers and such could write viruses for only one architecture. Even then, an embedded system would have it's own flavor of Linux built for it, with it's own unique protocols. The hackers would have to be maliciously targeting only that brand of embedded Linux, ignoring broader and far easier mainstream targets. Thats how Linux and OSX stayed virus free for so long. Windows is so much more widespread than the competition, and hackers want their work known, so they target as large an audience as they can. It's not all that hard to hack a Mac. [http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207000434]. If you have a mac yourself, just hold down "Command+S" when you boot it up. It will load right into SuperUser mode, a fancy name for [[wikipedia:Root_user\|Root]]. Thats how I put myself on my schools [[wikipedia:Sudo\|sudoers]] list. But spammers gain almost nothing from putting botnets on macs, when PC's are so much more widespread.

	The other problem is that to be infected with a virus, the system has to have contact with an outside network. I'm not sure why prosthetic legs would need internet access. It's far safer to upgrade the firmware through a computer with a firewall, virus scanner, and virtual Machine. The only way I can think of an embedded system becoming compromised is by having full internet access at all times, or by the firmware file on the manufacturers website being compromised. Either way is possible, but with Beta test prosthetics, the firmware would be closely guarded.		The other problem is that to be infected with a virus, the system has to have contact with an outside network. I'm not sure why prosthetic legs would need internet access. It's far safer to upgrade the firmware through a computer with a firewall, virus scanner, and virtual Machine. The only way I can think of an embedded system becoming compromised is by having full internet access at all times, or by the firmware file on the manufacturers website being compromised. Either way is possible, but with Beta test prosthetics, the firmware would be closely guarded.

ShadowWolf: /* About The Technology */ fix the links into Wikipedia that our 'concerned reader' posted so that they use inter-wiki syntax (instead of external-link syntax)

2009-06-02T19:52:28Z

About The Technology: fix the links into Wikipedia that our 'concerned reader' posted so that they use inter-wiki syntax (instead of external-link syntax)

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	::Still, the story always takes precedence to explanations. I know this from my experiences as an amateur video editor. It just has to look good, it doesn't have to make perfect sense. Who cares if his watch switched hands?		::Still, the story always takes precedence to explanations. I know this from my experiences as an amateur video editor. It just has to look good, it doesn't have to make perfect sense. Who cares if his watch switched hands?

	::Now imagine if the Asus [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee[~~EEE]] line extended to prosthetic legs, with subtypes for different species. ''"Easy to learn, Easy to work, Easy to play"'' indeed. Now there's an idea. Another idea stolen from netbooks running linux is the "oh shit" button that restores a backup from a separate, read only partition. Meant as a safety against idiots mucking around with permissions and such, in the case of any embedded tech, this would be very useful. Especially if you could save your settings and calibrations to it. I also still like the idea of an open standard architecture. I almost wanted to call it GAS for Global Architecture Standard.		::Now imagine if the Asus [[wikipedia:ASUS Eee\|EEE]] line extended to prosthetic legs, with subtypes for different species. ''"Easy to learn, Easy to work, Easy to play"'' indeed. Now there's an idea. Another idea stolen from netbooks running linux is the "oh shit" button that restores a backup from a separate, read only partition. Meant as a safety against idiots mucking around with permissions and such, in the case of any embedded tech, this would be very useful. Especially if you could save your settings and calibrations to it. I also still like the idea of an open standard architecture. I almost wanted to call it GAS for Global Architecture Standard.

	::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet? By personal experience I have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.		::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet? By personal experience I have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.

	::Also, This may be the future: [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Zii[Stimcell computing]]. It has Stimcell in the name, so it must be good! (j/k). I am neither expressing nor making fun of views with this post. :)		::Also, This may be the future: [[wikipedia:Zii\|Stimcell computing]]. It has Stimcell in the name, so it must be good! (j/k). I am neither expressing nor making fun of views with this post. :)

	::--[[User:Concerned Reader\|Concerned Reader]] 04:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::--[[User:Concerned Reader\|Concerned Reader]] 04:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

ShadowWolf: /* On Polyton and the Hotel */ hopefully this answers that set of questions

2009-06-02T19:45:35Z

On Polyton and the Hotel: hopefully this answers that set of questions

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	Quick questions, is Polyton County the name of the city or the region it's located in? Also, is the hotel that the Whistle is attatched to still a hotel or is it now an apartment building? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]		Quick questions, is Polyton County the name of the city or the region it's located in? Also, is the hotel that the Whistle is attatched to still a hotel or is it now an apartment building? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

			:'Polyton County' is the name of the county - the city has, IIRC, never been named. I don't have my original notes from the discussions that generated the setting anymore (Okay, I have them - somewhere in an archive - it's just a hard thing to do in searching that archive). And the Hotel is not a classic hotel anymore. It is still a 'Hotel' in that it rents rooms - nominally on a week-to-week basis - instead of renting complete apartments (which implies separate kitchen/bath and such). There are certain rooms in the hotel that do have all of that - those suites, however, are generally taken by the Teefers that squatted the building during the collapse and are now the legal owners.
			:As to the name of the city... I think we decided to go with the whole "un-named city" bit that TBP used, but decided to give it a much more "concrete" location than "somewhere in the rust belt" by putting it in New York State. To give the setting a bit more to work with than what was provided to the TBP writers, "Polyton County" was created as the location of the city.
			:Anyway... Thanks for the interest in the setting. PAW needs some more people writing stories using it as a setting :)
			::: -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Brunnel: /* On Polyton and the Hotel */ new section

2009-06-02T19:24:45Z

On Polyton and the Hotel: new section

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	::--[[User:Concerned Reader\|Concerned Reader]] 04:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::--[[User:Concerned Reader\|Concerned Reader]] 04:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

			== On Polyton and the Hotel ==

			Quick questions, is Polyton County the name of the city or the region it's located in? Also, is the hotel that the Whistle is attatched to still a hotel or is it now an apartment building? --[[User:Lloyd Brunnel\|Lloyd]]

Concerned Reader: /* About The Technology */

2009-06-02T04:28:16Z

About The Technology

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	::Also, This may be the future: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zii[Stimcell computing]]. It has Stimcell in the name, so it must be good! (j/k). I am neither expressing nor making fun of views with this post. :)		::Also, This may be the future: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zii[Stimcell computing]]. It has Stimcell in the name, so it must be good! (j/k). I am neither expressing nor making fun of views with this post. :)

	::--~~A Less~~ Concerned Reader 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::--[[User:Concerned Reader\|Concerned Reader]] 04:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

67.67.219.70: /* About The Technology */

2009-06-02T04:13:11Z

About The Technology

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	::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet? By personal experience I have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.		::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet? By personal experience I have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.

			::Also, This may be the future: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zii[Stimcell computing]]. It has Stimcell in the name, so it must be good! (j/k). I am neither expressing nor making fun of views with this post. :)

	::--A Less Concerned Reader 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::--A Less Concerned Reader 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

67.67.219.70: /* About The Technology */

2009-06-02T04:07:33Z

About The Technology

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	::Now imagine if the Asus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee[EEE]] line extended to prosthetic legs, with subtypes for different species. ''"Easy to learn, Easy to work, Easy to play"'' indeed. Now there's an idea. Another idea stolen from netbooks running linux is the "oh shit" button that restores a backup from a separate, read only partition. Meant as a safety against idiots mucking around with permissions and such, in the case of any embedded tech, this would be very useful. Especially if you could save your settings and calibrations to it. I also still like the idea of an open standard architecture. I almost wanted to call it GAS for Global Architecture Standard.		::Now imagine if the Asus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee[EEE]] line extended to prosthetic legs, with subtypes for different species. ''"Easy to learn, Easy to work, Easy to play"'' indeed. Now there's an idea. Another idea stolen from netbooks running linux is the "oh shit" button that restores a backup from a separate, read only partition. Meant as a safety against idiots mucking around with permissions and such, in the case of any embedded tech, this would be very useful. Especially if you could save your settings and calibrations to it. I also still like the idea of an open standard architecture. I almost wanted to call it GAS for Global Architecture Standard.

	::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet~~, and by~~ personal experience have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.		::Every now and then, life steps in front of you, as immovable as a wall. It's our choice if we crash right through it, or try and escape around it. Either choice is valid. I'm an escapist by nature, why else would I be reading science fiction on the internet? By personal experience I have learned that crashing through hurts far less in the end. You may pick up a few bruises, but in the end, you're back on your way much faster. Though the third choice may be even better. when life sticks its foot out in front of you, walk up and introduce yourself. Then ask it out to dinner. We go through life much too fast. Slow it down a bit and enjoy it. Take care of problems, sure, but have some fun as well. I've been waiting since high school, I can wait a bit more.
	::--A Less Concerned Reader 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		::--A Less Concerned Reader 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)