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Bryan: /* Image policymaking */ Sounds good to me too

2007-08-21T23:32:40Z

Image policymaking: Sounds good to me too

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	::I would assume that one would use similar standards that are being applied for stories. If a story displays such an image, it's become an Adult story, regardless of content. Presumably the community at large can police that sort of thing (that's why there's a Wiki, y'know). But maybe I'm just naive. :D		::I would assume that one would use similar standards that are being applied for stories. If a story displays such an image, it's become an Adult story, regardless of content. Presumably the community at large can police that sort of thing (that's why there's a Wiki, y'know). But maybe I'm just naive. :D
	::I honestly can't understand how one would have difficulty discerning between, say, "Adult" versus "pr0n". It seems simple to me - if someone's nude, it's at least adult, and if someone's doing something involving teh secks, it's pr0n. Maybe a "viewer discretion advised" thing would be needed for violent images, but that seems to me like a community thing. - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 19:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)		::I honestly can't understand how one would have difficulty discerning between, say, "Adult" versus "pr0n". It seems simple to me - if someone's nude, it's at least adult, and if someone's doing something involving teh secks, it's pr0n. Maybe a "viewer discretion advised" thing would be needed for violent images, but that seems to me like a community thing. - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 19:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

			:That sounds good to me too, and since it's ShadowWolf's server I'm fine with whatever limits he wants to place on images. :) [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:32, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Viqsi: /* Image policymaking */

2007-08-21T23:24:12Z

Image policymaking

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	: You've pretty much got it. The real grey area was concerning "Adult" and/or "Pornographic" images, since what "Adult" and "Pornographic" are vary widely from person to person. As to the rest - disc is cheap. If needed I can buy another drive and add it to the system. I've been thinking of buying a pair of 100 or 200 gig drives and moving the databases and the shifti home directory onto them. (Well, truthfully, I've been planning on building a new server and getting it co-loc'd so Shifti can have the always-there connectivity it needs. It's either do that, or get a new DSL modem and see about getting extra IP addresses assigned.) — [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 18:43, 21 August 2007 (EDT)		: You've pretty much got it. The real grey area was concerning "Adult" and/or "Pornographic" images, since what "Adult" and "Pornographic" are vary widely from person to person. As to the rest - disc is cheap. If needed I can buy another drive and add it to the system. I've been thinking of buying a pair of 100 or 200 gig drives and moving the databases and the shifti home directory onto them. (Well, truthfully, I've been planning on building a new server and getting it co-loc'd so Shifti can have the always-there connectivity it needs. It's either do that, or get a new DSL modem and see about getting extra IP addresses assigned.) — [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 18:43, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

			::I would assume that one would use similar standards that are being applied for stories. If a story displays such an image, it's become an Adult story, regardless of content. Presumably the community at large can police that sort of thing (that's why there's a Wiki, y'know). But maybe I'm just naive. :D
			::I honestly can't understand how one would have difficulty discerning between, say, "Adult" versus "pr0n". It seems simple to me - if someone's nude, it's at least adult, and if someone's doing something involving teh secks, it's pr0n. Maybe a "viewer discretion advised" thing would be needed for violent images, but that seems to me like a community thing. - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 19:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

ShadowWolf at 22:43, 21 August 2007

2007-08-21T22:43:30Z

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	Otherwise... comments? Thoughts? - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 12:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)		Otherwise... comments? Thoughts? - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 12:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

	: You've pretty much got it. The real grey area was concerning "Adult" and/or "Pornographic" images, since what "Adult" and "Pornographic" are vary widely from person to person. As to the rest - disc is cheap. If needed I can buy another drive and add it to the system. I've been thinking of buying a pair of 100 or 200 gig drives and moving the databases and the shifti home directory onto them. (Well, truthfully, I've been planning on building a new server and getting it co-loc'd so Shifti can have the always-there connectivity it needs)		: You've pretty much got it. The real grey area was concerning "Adult" and/or "Pornographic" images, since what "Adult" and "Pornographic" are vary widely from person to person. As to the rest - disc is cheap. If needed I can buy another drive and add it to the system. I've been thinking of buying a pair of 100 or 200 gig drives and moving the databases and the shifti home directory onto them. (Well, truthfully, I've been planning on building a new server and getting it co-loc'd so Shifti can have the always-there connectivity it needs. It's either do that, or get a new DSL modem and see about getting extra IP addresses assigned.) — [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 18:43, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

ShadowWolf at 22:42, 21 August 2007

2007-08-21T22:42:25Z

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	Otherwise... comments? Thoughts? - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 12:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)		Otherwise... comments? Thoughts? - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 12:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

			: You've pretty much got it. The real grey area was concerning "Adult" and/or "Pornographic" images, since what "Adult" and "Pornographic" are vary widely from person to person. As to the rest - disc is cheap. If needed I can buy another drive and add it to the system. I've been thinking of buying a pair of 100 or 200 gig drives and moving the databases and the shifti home directory onto them. (Well, truthfully, I've been planning on building a new server and getting it co-loc'd so Shifti can have the always-there connectivity it needs)

Viqsi: Image policymaking

2007-08-21T16:24:00Z

Image policymaking

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	:::And I suppose I should get around to writing the "disclaimers" page now, too, since this is touching on that to some degree. :) [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 20:49, 20 July 2007 (EDT)		:::And I suppose I should get around to writing the "disclaimers" page now, too, since this is touching on that to some degree. :) [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 20:49, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

			== Image policymaking ==

			Since it's still being worked on... my idea for an Image Policy follows:

			:We are all nifty and OK about you doing the following:
			::* Putting up pictures that help illustrate a story
			::* Putting up icons that are relevant to something not story-related (i.e. the TSA logo on a page about the TSA)
			::* Your own cutesy little horizontal rule replacement images

			:We will get quite stern and bothersome if you're doing the following:
			::* Uploading pictures that you do not have legal right to use (see [[Shifti:Copyrights]])
			::* Uploading very large amounts of pictures (admin's discretion; exercise some restraint, kthx!)
			::* Collecting pictures or creating galleries (that's not what we're here for)

			:Basically, any and all pics that will help you enhance your story or the overall Shifti experience is good - ''but that's all''. We do not have the resources to be an image gallery - and besides, there's plenty of other major image hosting sites that are friendly toward or specialize in transformation images.

			I'm going based on the assumption that the reason why there's still "gray area" is that we don't want to shut the door on making stories more interesting by way of images. This may be a mistaken assumption - if so, feel free to disregard this as the empty ramblings of a madwoman. (Or just ignore it; that works, too. ;) )

			Otherwise... comments? Thoughts? - [[User:Viqsi\|Viqsi]] 12:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Bryan at 00:49, 21 July 2007

2007-07-21T00:49:53Z

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	::No problem with that. And I should clarify the fact that there are certain border cases that may be allowed, even under my above stated policy of "Never, not in a million years". As noted in our recent e-mail exchange certain age-regression stories may seem to fall under my stated blanket-ban even though they will be judged on a case by case basis. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 20:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)		::No problem with that. And I should clarify the fact that there are certain border cases that may be allowed, even under my above stated policy of "Never, not in a million years". As noted in our recent e-mail exchange certain age-regression stories may seem to fall under my stated blanket-ban even though they will be judged on a case by case basis. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 20:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

	:::And I suppose I should get around to writing the "disclaimers" page now, too, since this is touching on that to some degree. :)		:::And I suppose I should get around to writing the "disclaimers" page now, too, since this is touching on that to some degree. :) [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 20:49, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Bryan at 00:49, 21 July 2007

2007-07-21T00:49:48Z

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	::No problem with that. And I should clarify the fact that there are certain border cases that may be allowed, even under my above stated policy of "Never, not in a million years". As noted in our recent e-mail exchange certain age-regression stories may seem to fall under my stated blanket-ban even though they will be judged on a case by case basis. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 20:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)		::No problem with that. And I should clarify the fact that there are certain border cases that may be allowed, even under my above stated policy of "Never, not in a million years". As noted in our recent e-mail exchange certain age-regression stories may seem to fall under my stated blanket-ban even though they will be judged on a case by case basis. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 20:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

			:::And I suppose I should get around to writing the "disclaimers" page now, too, since this is touching on that to some degree. :)

ShadowWolf: Clarify the recently introduced blanket-ban on certain types of content

2007-07-21T00:24:26Z

Clarify the recently introduced blanket-ban on certain types of content

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	:I've got no problem with any of that, my clarifications were intended to point out that since we don't sit here on the wiki 24 hours a day screening every edit as they come in it's possible that something objectionable might get posted and then stay on the wiki a while before we notice it and either categorize it or remove it. I don't want someone seeing something horrible on Shifti and then getting upset because our policy "promised that the adult stuff would be properly labeled" or something along those lines. It's a covering of our asses, not a loosening of the restriction. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:42, 20 July 2007 (EDT)		:I've got no problem with any of that, my clarifications were intended to point out that since we don't sit here on the wiki 24 hours a day screening every edit as they come in it's possible that something objectionable might get posted and then stay on the wiki a while before we notice it and either categorize it or remove it. I don't want someone seeing something horrible on Shifti and then getting upset because our policy "promised that the adult stuff would be properly labeled" or something along those lines. It's a covering of our asses, not a loosening of the restriction. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:42, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

			::No problem with that. And I should clarify the fact that there are certain border cases that may be allowed, even under my above stated policy of "Never, not in a million years". As noted in our recent e-mail exchange certain age-regression stories may seem to fall under my stated blanket-ban even though they will be judged on a case by case basis. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 20:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Bryan: The caveats I added were for Shifti's protection, not to loosen any restrictions.

2007-07-20T23:42:04Z

The caveats I added were for Shifti's protection, not to loosen any restrictions.

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	Just to make some things really clear: Paedophilia - under '''any''' name or with any description - is not going to be hosted on my server. The offending content will be removed and the offending user banned. If required I will lock the Wiki so that registration is required for <u>'''''any'''''</u> editing. Users making anonymous posts and edits to try and get around the ban will be prosecuted. If '''any''' user wishes to argue about this policy, well, I won't stop them from it. But if any user that has been banned for violating the policy complains about it the result will be the same as if they were anonymously making numerous posts - prosecution. (Though, in the latter case, I will likely also inform the police instead of filing a strictly civil case) - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)		Just to make some things really clear: Paedophilia - under '''any''' name or with any description - is not going to be hosted on my server. The offending content will be removed and the offending user banned. If required I will lock the Wiki so that registration is required for <u>'''''any'''''</u> editing. Users making anonymous posts and edits to try and get around the ban will be prosecuted. If '''any''' user wishes to argue about this policy, well, I won't stop them from it. But if any user that has been banned for violating the policy complains about it the result will be the same as if they were anonymously making numerous posts - prosecution. (Though, in the latter case, I will likely also inform the police instead of filing a strictly civil case) - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 19:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

			:I've got no problem with any of that, my clarifications were intended to point out that since we don't sit here on the wiki 24 hours a day screening every edit as they come in it's possible that something objectionable might get posted and then stay on the wiki a while before we notice it and either categorize it or remove it. I don't want someone seeing something horrible on Shifti and then getting upset because our policy "promised that the adult stuff would be properly labeled" or something along those lines. It's a covering of our asses, not a loosening of the restriction. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:42, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

ShadowWolf: Clarification of policy

2007-07-20T23:17:34Z

Clarification of policy

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Just to make some things really clear: Paedophilia - under '''any''' name or with any description - is not going to be hosted on my server. The offending content will be removed and the offending user banned. If required I will lock the Wiki so that registration is required for <u>'''''any'''''</u> editing. Users making anonymous posts and edits to try and get around the ban will be prosecuted. If '''any''' user wishes to argue about this policy, well, I won't stop them from it. But if any user that has been banned for violating the policy complains about it the result will be the same as if they were anonymously making numerous posts - prosecution. (Though, in the latter case, I will likely also inform the police instead of filing a strictly civil case) - [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 19:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)