User talk:Eirik/Little Boy Lost

2008-01-02T19:07:01Z

217.21.43.222: New page: I'm translated that story into Russian. Its exists in the site http://city.tomsk.net/~inry/stories/lboylost.html I even have the letter. ~~~~

I'm translated that story into Russian.
Its exists in the site http://city.tomsk.net/~inry/stories/lboylost.html
I even have the letter.
[[User:217.21.43.222|217.21.43.222]] 14:07, 2 January 2008 (EST)

User talk:Bryan

2007-12-20T09:00:01Z

217.21.43.222: другие языки / International

After the chat we had about the limitations of the internal search system of MediaWiki I took a look at wikimedia for search extensions. "Lucene Search" seemed to be the best bet, but after fighting to get the backend for it built and installed I learned it wasn't any better than the built-in system. (In truth, its worse. No ability to select additional namespaces to search in, requires manual dumping of the database and importing into the backend for indexing, etc...) All the code is there to support it, though. However I've shut down the search daemon and disabled the extension. I'm going to go back to poking at the MediaWiki internals to see if I can change the default search to include the User namespace. [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 21:22, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

:When Wikipedia's under extreme load it shuts down the internal search engine to conserve resources and instead present a wrapper for a Google search limited to the wikipedia.org server, perhaps you could use something like that? Wouldn't work until Google started spidering us, which I don't know if they've done yet, but with MediaWiki's search as poor as it is it may be an improvement. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 02:42, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

::There are several extensions on MetaWiki for Google searches. As far as I can tell from the [http://www.keil-draco.com/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=shifti stats page] Google has started the indexing process. (look down under the "bots" section). I'll get to work doing the reorg so Category:Author points to author homepages and Category:Stories By Author is the stories themselves. (It's better if we stay ahead of the curve, no?) [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 13:13, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:::Sure, though staying behind the curve also has its advantages (we'll know more about what the organization of Shifti actually looks like :). I'd advise lowercase titles for pages and categories where possible, BTW, it makes them more natural to link to. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 13:18, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

::::Now you tell me. I've already gone and finished the reorg. How about I put together a few templates to somewhat automate the categorization and linking process? [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 13:39, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:::::If you like, though I don't really see the point of turning <nowiki>[[Category:Author]]</nowiki> into <nowiki>{{Category author}}</nowiki> and such. I'll convert over the category to lower case, I'm used to doing that sort of thing over on Wikipedia. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 13:49, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

::::::I was thinking more along the lines of <nowiki>{{AuthorPage}}</nowiki> adding <nowiki>[[Category:(Author Name)]]</nowiki> to the <nowiki>{{Title}}</nowiki> template. No need to go crazy with stuff like that. [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 14:04, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:::::::<s>A potential gotcha you might run into: If you put <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> on a template, it resolves as the ''template's'' page name. So every author page could wind up categorized in [[:Category:AuthorPage]]. You'd probably need to take the category name as a parameter, or ask that every user substitute the template rather than transclude it (if you use "<nowiki>{{subst:template name}}</nowiki>" instead of just "<nowiki>{{template name}}</nowiki>" the text of the template page is inserted directly into the article the moment you click "save").</s> Huh. I see now that you already use this in [[Template:Title]] and it works the other way. I'm going to have to double-check my Wikipedia experience on this one. :) [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 14:28, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

::::::: I'm also not a fan of categories in templates because it makes it impossible to use the template elsewhere (such as on a help page describing its usage) without incorrectly categorizing the other pages it appears in. I really think we're not a big enough wiki yet to be worrying much about this, I'm capable of cleaning everything up manually. It only took me two minutes to switch everything over from Stories By Author to stories by author. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 14:21, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

::::::::Not a problem. But look at the hoops I had to jump through for the <nowiki>{{part}}</nowiki> template, which refused to resolve inside the table on the help page. [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 14:31, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

==Searching and redirects==

I think we might be able to sidestep the whole "search upgrade" thing by adding redirects - put on at [[Companion (Bob Stein)]], have it redirect to [[User:Posti/Companion]] and it should work, no? [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 14:48, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:Yup. Wikipedia uses redirects of common misspellings in the same manner. No need for the parenthetical (Bob Stein) unless there's some other page already called "Companion", though. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 15:06, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:Actually, I guess the parenthetical might be useful for people who are searching for "Bob Stein". The category would be a more useful place to find that but I guess people might not know to look there initially. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 15:47, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

:: That was my thought on it. It would allow for a search for Bob Stein to turn it up. Though you are correct, the category page would be the better spot. [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 16:29, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

==Dragons of Histh organization==

About the "Dragons of Histh" stuff... I'm not to comfortable with "Book the One", "Book the Two" and such being main namespace entries. I'm asking before I do anything, but I'd feel better if they were moved to, say, "Dragons of Histh: Book the One" or "Book the One (Dragons of Histh)". As well, does this "Kinglake Film Partnership" actually exist or is it just some fluff name that 'Loathesome Dragon' created to make the setting seem more important/famous than it really is? (And if it is just a fluff name then I think it should be moved to User:Loathesomedragon/Kinglake_Film_Partnership. If it isn't it seems like rampant advertisement and I will delete it with that being the reason.) -- [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 00:03, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

:I was thinking of moving those stories myself, actually. The names seemed overly generic and could be confusing. But as for the Kinglake thing, I don't see any reason not to leave it be; it's not likely that anyone's going to name a story that and it's not going to be in any story categories, so nobody will see it unless they're actively searching for it. So there's no clutter. [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 00:30, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

== New Templates ==

I've noticed that you've been adding some new templates lately. However, the [[Help:Templates]] page still needs updating with the howtos and examples. Or are they still in the rough? --[[User:JonBuck|Buck]] 19:38, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

:Not really, I just haven't got to updating it yet (and the external image template is covered in the image help page, which IMO is a more approriate place for it). I'll update tonight after I've done more work on ''Against Type'', my creativity is tied up at the moment. :) [[User:Bryan|Bryan]] 19:50, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

== Against Type ==

Your ISP is blocking my emails again. I can't send you the current file. It's almost done, too. :P --[[User:JonBuck|Buck]] 22:39, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

== Blacklists ==

In addition to the Captcha there are now two blacklists, one for certain username patterns and one for certain URL's.
Username Blacklist can be found at [http://shifti.org/MediaWiki:usernameblacklist MediaWiki:usernameblacklist] and the URL blacklist is at [http://shifti.org/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist] -- [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 21:00, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

== Code Update ==

You asked for it, you got it. A list of random pages is available via <randompages/> – it currently understands "style" and "class" as standard HTML parameters and can take a "count" parameter, which determines the length of the list generated. It is currently completely undecorated, so I think I'll set it up so it you can do <randompages>title text</randompages>

I also fixed up Special:Random to search NS_MAIN and NS_USER by default while not interfering with the operation of Special:Random/<namespace>
—[[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 23:40, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

'''Update''' — added the title bar stuff. Two new paramters to go with it, "titlestyle" and "titleclass" – these control the look of the displayed title text. — [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 00:00, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

More news. I've added the requested "Total Number Of Articles" bit to the categories page. Unfortunately it only covers articles and not subcategories. Doing subcategories is going to take another chunk of patching. — [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 19:57, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

:Unfortunately it's borked at this point and combining sub-categories and articles in one lump. I'm going to disable it for now and go back to the poking. — [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 20:00, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

::And I've fixed it. Problem is that this would never fly for MediaWiki - it's making a massive database query and iterating over the results to count the articles. On Wikipedia, for example, this would require getting millions of results and iterating over them - quite intensive. — [[User:ShadowWolf|ShadowWolf]] 20:35, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

== другие языки / International ==

How to correctly add to the Shifti pages on Russian? I have some translation of your stories and some my own stories.
[[User:217.21.43.222|217.21.43.222]] 04:00, 20 December 2007 (EST)

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